Comments on: The conservatism of journalism students http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/ A UK-centric look at new media and online journalism Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:09:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Top ten list of tips for journalism students « - Journ.ph http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-51901 Top ten list of tips for journalism students « - Journ.ph Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:50:33 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-51901 [...] of numbers one through five. This concept also involves having an open mind, as Curley and others note. Similarly important is being entrepreneurial (six) and being able to do it yourself (four). Being [...] [...] of numbers one through five. This concept also involves having an open mind, as Curley and others note. Similarly important is being entrepreneurial (six) and being able to do it yourself (four). Being [...]

]]> By: Springlamb’s Weblog › Edit — WordPress « MM4J http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-50877 Springlamb’s Weblog › Edit — WordPress « MM4J Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:32:07 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-50877 [...] do, like twittering. I’m reminded of the old but apparently not yet cold discussion about the conservatism of journalism students and what Martin Stabe termed students’ occasional ‘bah, humbug attitude to such crazy [...] [...] do, like twittering. I’m reminded of the old but apparently not yet cold discussion about the conservatism of journalism students and what Martin Stabe termed students’ occasional ‘bah, humbug attitude to such crazy [...]

]]> By: Six of the best... student portfolio sites | Journalism and Public Relations at the University of Sunderland http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-50094 Six of the best... student portfolio sites | Journalism and Public Relations at the University of Sunderland Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:31:52 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-50094 [...] can go without saying (because it has already been said, by Martin Stabe, Mindy McAdams and the Iconoclast, amongst others)  that the transition between journalism student [...] [...] can go without saying (because it has already been said, by Martin Stabe, Mindy McAdams and the Iconoclast, amongst others)  that the transition between journalism student [...]

]]> By: Chris Doidge http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-47826 Chris Doidge Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:05:20 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-47826 I've only just found this post - and the reference to my blog! Maybe the postgrad journalism courses are a bit technical - they focus on the 'how', rather than the 'why'. But having graduated, and picked up a job in commercial radio, it seems the conservatism of some journalists isn't confined to universities. The web is seen as a bit of a necessity, rather than a place for possibilities. There's no interest in content, or making it a useful destination for audiences. It's not even considered as a revenue stream by those with the purse-strings. I’ve only just found this post – and the reference to my blog!

Maybe the postgrad journalism courses are a bit technical – they focus on the ‘how’, rather than the ‘why’.

But having graduated, and picked up a job in commercial radio, it seems the conservatism of some journalists isn’t confined to universities. The web is seen as a bit of a necessity, rather than a place for possibilities. There’s no interest in content, or making it a useful destination for audiences. It’s not even considered as a revenue stream by those with the purse-strings.

]]> By: Mark Ansell http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-47707 Mark Ansell Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:27:45 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-47707 I'm a journalism student at Cardiff Uni and I'm afraid a number of my fellow students do turn up their nose to digital media. I've blogged on this: http://markansell.blogspot.com/ I’m a journalism student at Cardiff Uni and I’m afraid a number of my fellow students do turn up their nose to digital media.

I’ve blogged on this:
http://markansell.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Teaching Online Journalism: It's about stories ... which stories? And why? http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-37059 Teaching Online Journalism: It's about stories ... which stories? And why? Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:23:50 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-37059 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Stabe provides evidence from various sources about the surprising number of journalism students who don't want to work online, or who want only [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Stabe provides evidence from various sources about the surprising number of journalism students who don’t want to work online, or who want only [...]

]]> By: Writing for New Media > Course schedule http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-26637 Writing for New Media > Course schedule Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:08:48 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-26637 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] second blog entry. Read: Ward, Chapters 1 and 2; Getting (and Keeping) a Job in Journalism; The Conservatism of Journalism Students; Journalism Stories: A multimedia approach part 1 and part 2; Making Online Journalism -- Part 4; [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] second blog entry. Read: Ward, Chapters 1 and 2; Getting (and Keeping) a Job in Journalism; The Conservatism of Journalism Students; Journalism Stories: A multimedia approach part 1 and part 2; Making Online Journalism — Part 4; [...]

]]> By: » Blog Archive » Who gets it? http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-21607 » Blog Archive » Who gets it? Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:45:30 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-21607 [...] Journalist Martin Stabe: “Journalism isn’t about printing newspapers or broadcasting television programmes. It’s about stories — and finding the best way to tell them. So I have no idea where this romantic attachment to the printed word comes from. [...] [...] Journalist Martin Stabe: “Journalism isn’t about printing newspapers or broadcasting television programmes. It’s about stories — and finding the best way to tell them. So I have no idea where this romantic attachment to the printed word comes from. [...]

]]> By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Additional notes on Outing’s advice for small newspapers http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-19500 howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Additional notes on Outing’s advice for small newspapers Thu, 31 May 2007 16:04:04 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-19500 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] by Martin Stabe » The conservatism of journalism students — January 14, 2007 @ 11:41 [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] by Martin Stabe » The conservatism of journalism students — January 14, 2007 @ 11:41 [...]

]]> By: ms_cantrell: how to raise an american, a parenting bo http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-18744 ms_cantrell: how to raise an american, a parenting bo Sun, 20 May 2007 08:17:11 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-18744 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] http://www.stanfordreview.org/Archive/Volume_XXXVI/Issue_8/News/news1.shtmlhttp://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/The more one looks, the more complicated the picture. Like most things, depends on the region and [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] http://www.stanfordreview.org/Archive/Volume_XXXVI/Issue_8/News/news1.shtmlhttp://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/The more one looks, the more complicated the picture. Like most things, depends on the region and [...]

]]> By: Kristine Lowe: The conservatism of journalism students revisited http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-17563 Kristine Lowe: The conservatism of journalism students revisited Wed, 02 May 2007 11:02:12 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-17563 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] reminds me of an excellent post by Martin [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] reminds me of an excellent post by Martin [...]

]]> By: abebe gedamu http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-13730 abebe gedamu Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:22:42 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-13730 my nam &Email at the tope of the space no coment but i want to learn in norway journalism for aschoolar ship give me the chance i am from east Africa my nam &Email at the tope of the space no coment but i want to learn in norway journalism for aschoolar ship give me the chance i am from east Africa

]]> By: Invisible Inkling » Blog Archive » Journalism students need new heroes; Journalism heroes need new students http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-13660 Invisible Inkling » Blog Archive » Journalism students need new heroes; Journalism heroes need new students Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:43:28 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-13660 [...] read Martin Stabe’s follow-up to “The conservatism of journalism students” and put out a call for more heroes [...] [...] read Martin Stabe’s follow-up to “The conservatism of journalism students” and put out a call for more heroes [...]

]]> By: I need a hero! : JBlog http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12548 I need a hero! : JBlog Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:58:46 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12548 [...] The point, in a nutshell, is that we’re leaving university with an outdated, unrealistic and somewhat romantic notion about the careers we’re heading into. With this post he discusses, with the help of some student blogs from Cardiff, that perhaps the most conservative of all journalists are also the youngest. A confusing role-reversal - aren’t students meant to be forward thinking and enthusiastic about new things? Seems not, and the stereotype of the old ’stuck in his ways’ journalist seems to lie with the students - not the old fellas in the newsrooms tapping away at their typewriters. [...] [...] The point, in a nutshell, is that we’re leaving university with an outdated, unrealistic and somewhat romantic notion about the careers we’re heading into. With this post he discusses, with the help of some student blogs from Cardiff, that perhaps the most conservative of all journalists are also the youngest. A confusing role-reversal – aren’t students meant to be forward thinking and enthusiastic about new things? Seems not, and the stereotype of the old ’stuck in his ways’ journalist seems to lie with the students – not the old fellas in the newsrooms tapping away at their typewriters. [...]

]]> By: Martin Stabe » Note to journalism schools: give us new heroes http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12500 Martin Stabe » Note to journalism schools: give us new heroes Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:51:30 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12500 [...] Update: This post has been sitting in my drafts since I wrote it two nights ago. I wasn’t quite happy with it, but now that Kevin Anderson has pre-empted me with almost the exact same thought, I’d better hit “publish”. Responding to my rant about journalism students who want nothing to do with the multimedia future of their trade, Adrian Monck (who is head of my j-school alma mater) wrote: The things that inspire you to undertake a career are usually drawn from your past. Add to that the competitive pressures, and the financial commitment required and you can see why some students might wish to enter an industry that looks like the one they wanted to join when they were growing up. [...] [...] Update: This post has been sitting in my drafts since I wrote it two nights ago. I wasn’t quite happy with it, but now that Kevin Anderson has pre-empted me with almost the exact same thought, I’d better hit “publish”. Responding to my rant about journalism students who want nothing to do with the multimedia future of their trade, Adrian Monck (who is head of my j-school alma mater) wrote: The things that inspire you to undertake a career are usually drawn from your past. Add to that the competitive pressures, and the financial commitment required and you can see why some students might wish to enter an industry that looks like the one they wanted to join when they were growing up. [...]

]]> By: Martin http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12364 Martin Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:46:11 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12364 I think Andy is right about the NCTJ being part of the problem (in Britain, at least). It's not necessarily that organisation itself, but the fixation on the holy trinity of shorthand, law and public affairs that it represents. These skills are are necessary (for many journalists) but clearly insufficient (for all journalists). Another problem is that journalism schools generally don't teach media economics. The conservative student attitude reminds me of those newspaper types who were saying, a few years ago, "but Craigslist doesn't have a Baghdad bureau, so it isn't anything to worry about". Students need to understand that the structural change in publishing is happening whether they like it or not, and that this is going to have consequences for what kind of jobs are going to be available for them in the future. I think Andy is right about the NCTJ being part of the problem (in Britain, at least). It’s not necessarily that organisation itself, but the fixation on the holy trinity of shorthand, law and public affairs that it represents. These skills are are necessary (for many journalists) but clearly insufficient (for all journalists).

Another problem is that journalism schools generally don’t teach media economics. The conservative student attitude reminds me of those newspaper types who were saying, a few years ago, “but Craigslist doesn’t have a Baghdad bureau, so it isn’t anything to worry about”.

Students need to understand that the structural change in publishing is happening whether they like it or not, and that this is going to have consequences for what kind of jobs are going to be available for them in the future.

]]> By: Bryan Murley http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12363 Bryan Murley Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:47:17 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12363 <em>In that statement you have all you need to know about why students arent equiped to work online. All I need to do now is find out who peddles that bulls**t line to them and lock them in a box and perhaps we can all move on. </em> LOL. That comment made my day, Andy. In that statement you have all you need to know about why students arent equiped to work online. All I need to do now is find out who peddles that bulls**t line to them and lock them in a box and perhaps we can all move on.

LOL. That comment made my day, Andy.

]]> By: Andy Dickinson.net » Blog Archive » Journalism Education: We lost ‘em before we got ‘em http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12362 Andy Dickinson.net » Blog Archive » Journalism Education: We lost ‘em before we got ‘em Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:26:08 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12362 [...] It’s the latest round in the  discussion about the conservatism of J-students. This time the issue was picked up by Martin Stabe, prompted by Mindy McAdams post advising students to get out there and take part . Martin picks up on why J-students are conservative -in return giving Mindy opportunity to open some interesting thoughts on story. [...] [...] It’s the latest round in the  discussion about the conservatism of J-students. This time the issue was picked up by Martin Stabe, prompted by Mindy McAdams post advising students to get out there and take part . Martin picks up on why J-students are conservative -in return giving Mindy opportunity to open some interesting thoughts on story. [...]

]]> By: Andy http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12358 Andy Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:27:51 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12358 Hi Martin. I think you are right about the defined routes but there are some reasons for that - nctj, restrictive industry etc. It's interesting you picked up on Chris' blog. I came across it a while back and spat feathers for a while over the attitudes expressed. (so much so I left a comment). It was less that the students didnt get online, more that they thought print was somehow the safe way to go. As one commentor said: <i>"That said, if I really wanted to be an online journalist (which I don’t) I’d actually do the newspaper course anyway. Print and web are fairly close disciplines.</i> In that statement you have all you need to know about why students arent equiped to work online. All I need to do now is find out who peddles that bulls**t line to them and lock them in a box and perhaps we can all move on. Hi Martin.
I think you are right about the defined routes but there are some reasons for that – nctj, restrictive industry etc.

It’s interesting you picked up on Chris’ blog. I came across it a while back and spat feathers for a while over the attitudes expressed. (so much so I left a comment).

It was less that the students didnt get online, more that they thought print was somehow the safe way to go. As one commentor said:

“That said, if I really wanted to be an online journalist (which I don’t) I’d actually do the newspaper course anyway. Print and web are fairly close disciplines.

In that statement you have all you need to know about why students arent equiped to work online. All I need to do now is find out who peddles that bulls**t line to them and lock them in a box and perhaps we can all move on.

]]> By: Bryan Murley http://www.martinstabe.com/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/comment-page-1/#comment-12354 Bryan Murley Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:22:10 +0000 http://www.martinstabe.com/blog/2007/01/14/the-conservatism-of-journalism-students/#comment-12354 I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago as well <a href="http://www.collegemediainnovation.org/blog/2006/12/31/late-christmas-wishnew-years-resolution/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago as well here.

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